Monday, March 19, 2012
ScooterDad Talks About Videos.
Kenny Carlisle, aka ScooterDad, posted an article about what NOT to do in scooter videos on his website. He actually hits the nail on the head and you all should read this...Please. I'm not kidding.
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He is right in many ways, but is cheese a bad thing? Like c'mon guys, scooter doesn't have to professional, because in the end that makes it cheesy. Chill out while filming, chill out while riding and your video will be chilled out when it drops. Mid way between Cheese and Professional Cheese.
ReplyDelete-Zak Frazer
Finally someone can understand where I coming from
ReplyDeleteI'm down with a lot of it. But the whole don't throw your scooter thing, to me he has no room to speak on that matter.
ReplyDeleteYeah some kids do it way to much. But unless you've spent hours and countless amounts of slams trying a single trick on something. You can't possibly know how frustrating it can be. Sometimes you throw your scooter, or drop it when you finally land it. Nothing wrong with that.
Dropping a scooter and hucking it across the park... are rather different things. I can see his point and for the most part, gotta agree.
ReplyDeleteRead my comment again..
ReplyDeleteIm talking about the frustration some riders get while trying a trick numerous times. Not mindlessly throwing your scooter across a park.
He said to not show it a video! It does show disrespect to the brand. I know as a brand owner, it does annoy me when one of my riders shows them hucking their scooter in an edit. Just sayin!
ReplyDeleteTodd Scheffer
There is a lot of points I agree with in all this statement : dubstep thing, copy cats and other stuff. I'm tired aswell of hearing the same msic in each new edit whether it's dubstep or something else.
ReplyDeleteNow, I don't know how many of you guys have already spent 2 real hours tryin to film one single clip it is just the most frustrating thing that even a scooterdad wouldn't help it.
I know how that feels... I've hucked my scooter quite a few times
DeleteOf course it annoys you Todd. You spent money creating a product.
ReplyDeleteBut you, nor ScooterDad know anything about what we as riders, go through while riding that product trying to land tricks, to put in videos, to promote your companies.
Funny that so many companies/riders talk about how they want Scootering to be seen as a legit action sport. I can find countless amounts of videos where skaters/bmxers/all other action sports get frustrated and throw or even purposely BREAK (Skateboarders snapping their decks) all because of what they are DOING to promote your company.
You guys get offended when someone throws your product? How about Tom K when he rides a product and it breaks on him and he slams his face into the ground? Or Todd, can I mention Jon Knudtson in his latest video where he slams face first into the ground after a ZG deck snapped on him? He picked it back up and tossed it, did that annoy you? Cause I bet it annoyed Jon too when he had it break on him.
But Jon, and Tom, and most all other riders who have their scooters break on them, and or throw them out of frustration while breaking themselves trying to pump out edits for your companies, UNDERSTAND that that is what they do. That is the sport they are in.
Not trying to single out any companies, but none of you guys have the right to talk about something you know nothing about. Do you really think we just like going outside and grabbing our 300+ dollar scooters and throwing em around? It's not like that at all.
Want to understand what I'm saying? Go grab one of the scooters you manufactured. Go outside right now. Get on the scooter, and land a double tailwhip. Don't stop trying the trick until you land it. Then come back and tell me how many times you threw the scooter.
props dude.
Deleteevery company owner. Read this like 50 times.
DeleteI do know how it feels! I spent 10 yrs in the motocross and DH mountain bike scene and 4yrs of that was in the pro ranks riding for fox, pro circuit, and many shops. So I know what it feels like. To set the record straight, Jon's bolt broke after 7 months and it is recommended they be replaced every 4 months. Go to my fb wall and see that Jon does confirm that. Yes I know the anger that comes from broken parts as well. I had motocross bar snap on me at the landing of a fairly small double resulting in a broken wrist. I would love to be able to jump on a scoot again and show you I could ride but a really bad moto crash, 25 screws, 4 plates, and some dead guys bone in my leg has left me pretty much lame! The doc almost wanted to cut my leg off and I sometimes wish he did cause of the pain I still deal with. So here I am busting my as running a scoot company while working a full time job and trying to be a dad that is there for my 4 kids. So now you know where my fustration comes from. Lol!
DeleteTodd Scheffer
I am a company owner, I designed a deck, I've landed a whip-finger flat. I still 100% understand why company owners don't want their riders throwing their stuff. Do I ask my riders to? Naw, it doesn't matter to my brand, I like stuff a little raw. But not every company is going for the same image as me and many want a clean, professional look. Want to keep a sponsor? Make that sponsor happy. Shouldn't even be a discussion.
DeleteOnce again Steve is shutting it down.
DeleteAnd Todd motocross is not scootering..
Scooter Dads (Not the Kenny guy in particular) but all Scooter Dads will never understand what riding is for riders.
DeleteMost of that article was really good though. But Steven put the nail in the coffin with the whole throwing your scooter thing.
Boom
DeleteThe point of a video is to document the style/variety of your riding, yourself and your crew. If that isn't unique and conforms to predetermined set of standards for videos they're all going to be the exact same and damn boring. Hand waves, 'Aww yeeaah boy"'s, scooter toss's, smoking whatever, fighting security guards, clean editing and dubstep may or may not be your thing ... but if it is its inaccurate of you to edit that out to please the masses. I respectfully reject this BS from Scooter Dad.
ReplyDelete?? show me a video of a scooter kid fighting a seco guard?
DeleteAnd showing it in a video.
ReplyDeleteI guess you don't get that a lot of these riders have PASSION for the slams they take. And even the anger they have while trying to land a trick. If we choose to document that in our edits, that is our choice. Sometimes we like people to see the hell we go through trying to land a certain trick.
Again this is something that unless you actually ride, you probably wouldn't know much about.
Kerry Getz for example, lol.
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW8Eyqg55qk
I guess they dont like seeing people throw it in videos. But its a part of the sport isnt it not?
ReplyDeleteWe do throw our set ups...and get very frustrate as Steven mention. Hard to believe what we feel and go through to land some tricks.
If a ciompany worry about ther scooter breaking from a throw, i think that company got some bigger problems. Haha.
Nice article by ScooterDad but should be bumped to Inside the Lens. It is an "opinion" of what a scooter video should look like. Riders make videos to show their passion for the sport, the work they have put in and progression they have made. It isnt about a song, or intro or a particuliar lense. Its about putting on film who they are and who they have become. It is also for the Scooter community to get caught up on what they are doing. I appreciate that people have opinions but if I dont like the song, I turn the volume down and if I dont like the scooter toss I just move the icon forward. Be yourself, be creative and ride the S$%T out of it.
ReplyDelete^ Exactly what he said,
ReplyDeleteThat whole article made me want to make a corny dub step edit with nothing but me throwing scooters across parking lots with fist bumps and bong tokes. Possibly Nazi propaganda. -kt
ReplyDeleteme too
DeleteFor me, a lot of the time, landing a tough trick on a difficult spot can be one of the hardest, most intense mental battles imaginable. Dealing with the death of a loved one is one of the only events that could be more difficult. Showing the bails and frustration is one of the best ways to give insight as to just how passionate and determined we are. But I agree that it can be cliche. A lot of scooter riders use some pussy bails. Props to scooter dad fOr getting the convo started, although I hate to acknowlerally really laughably lame little kid website. Where's the scooter MILF website at? I want advice from someone who can show some tits.
ReplyDeleteI cant help but disagree with the "freaking out" after landing a trick i believe that a rider has everyright to clelebrate when they land a twelve stair rail first try that they have been sizing up for weeks. Just like a football player has every right to celebrate when they score a touch down.
ReplyDeleteWhat vetter promo is there for your product then seeing it get chucked at the gtound and not break. If companys dont like scooter abuse why does mad gear run an advertisment of there scoot being run over by a car, in my veiw that is quite abussive.
ReplyDeleteMan oh man, i am really irritated after reading most of this. Steve, i love you stepping up for us, being a rider yourself, you know the real/raw frustration that comes with it and putting your name on the line says a lot about you being a real dude!
ReplyDeleteBut what is this nonsense about a scooter daddy/ company owner talking about what we should or shouldnt do?? Im one for elder respect so ill do my best, but man you just have it all wrong! Yeah u might not agree with ppl smoking in a video part but believe it or not, there is a market for that! A huge one!!! Secondly, about riders throwing their scoot and u riding for fox even being in the same paragraph is non sense! There are no factory sponsors in the scoot game and the discussion as a business owner shouldnt even take place between any rider and their sponsor in less it is in private, spoken of in contract, or stupidly agreed upon by riders! A lot of riders need to realize this and stop giving so much to companys that are widely proffiting off of us and not returning the favor... gosh hasnt anyone seen lords of dogtown? Haha before i get any more mad, im bouncin outta here. Much love/respect to all riders and owners, but for now, their is alot more to work on than any of these topics, because u dont do the riding the filming nor the editing so plz just work on ur company poise!