"Now that the International Patent application has been filed
we can release the new P.I.S.T. system to you our loyal fans.
Let me introduce you to our new Patent Pending “Positive
Interlocking Steer Tube” (P.I.S.T) from VertX. We have designed a method that
allows you the rider to change the Steer Tube of a fork. We have developed a connection system that is
stronger than any bonded connection can be.
You can increase strength and not add weight. With P.I.S.T. you can now ride a steer tube made out of the
standard 6160 aluminum or 4130 Chromalloy steel which is many times
stronger. If you want to change from a
threaded to threadless system, or go from a shortened fork to the standard
length, or, a short SCS compression to a full size type you can. You won’t need to buy a whole new fork, or,
cut the one you have. With P.I.S.T. you
can choose a combination that fits any setup you prefer. For a fraction of the cost of a new fork you
can buy the steer tube size, style and material you want and install it
yourself. If you change your set up,
then in the future change your mind, just change back to the original steer
tube. Forks are easy to cut but making
them longer again is a little harder.
I'm highly skeptical of this, I have nothing against innovation but I think this is a step in the wrong direction.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you spelled chromoly wrong.
Didn't we start welding and makeing one piece forks for a reason
ReplyDeleteI gotta believe there will be issues with the fork breaking lose and ovalization of the the bottom head tube. I mean forks break with solid forks going through and a break at the bottom seems problematic. Creative and only time will tell. Does the bike industry have something like this?
ReplyDeleteI kinda like the look of this.. I ride VertX SMX forks currently which are awesome & in my opinion don't need changing.. but I get the reason behind this & it makes sense, whether it works or not though? We'd have to find out when people have tested them
ReplyDeleteI feel that with this, you have just made another weak point on a scooter. I also feel that once a standardization of parts set in through the brands this will be completely obsolete. While this may have some cool features, I do not see this as practical.
ReplyDeleteIt's things like this that are making it more and more expensive to keep up with scootering. I don't like how everything is getting much more pricey and it's really turning me off scootering.
ReplyDeletethe downtube part is too thin and looks like itll snap i maybe wrong but thats just from what i can see. other than that looks legit and would like to see it on other forks not just this fork i personally dont ride these.
ReplyDeleteAmericans with their abbrevations... seems like that everything that they invent or discover needs an abbrevation. What does PIST even stand for?
ReplyDeletepist = pathetic innovation stolen template
ReplyDeletewe had something very similar at dsa. didn't catch on. the days of copying lucky smx forks, phoenix decks, and dsa innovations are coming to end for vertx.
Positive Interlocking Steer Tube
ReplyDeleteI'm a bit skeptical.. I guess only time will tell if this'll work, I invested in a good pair of forks to begin with and that's done me fine, I don't think there's much need for this. I'd like to see a fitting video though, rather than just making assumptions.
ReplyDeleteIf this fails, some of the Vertx fans might be a little 'PIST' off haha!
ReplyDeletewhats this gonna be 90 dollars or more scootering is too expensive nowa days for little pieces of medal its not worth it.
ReplyDeleteId rather just buy a whole new fork... more connections/welds/bolts only mean weakness, this is why many forks are CNCed now.
ReplyDeleteAlright guys.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, it is cheaper to manufacture than a normal SMX. The legs and tube total should cost less than an SMX.
Also, it will be cheaper to maintain, because you won't have to replace the whole fork.
This is nothing like the DSA Cambo fork. The DSA forks sucked dick. It was the worst design scooter riding has ever seen. The tube didn't even lock on.
And whoever you are who said that VertX copied Phoenix decks, you're just an idiot.
And lastly guys, the forks are very strong. They HAVE been tested, and they will not break.
Very professional, Dom. Saying one of the first fork companies "sucked dick". Calling potential customers of the brand you represent, idiots, not very smart, Dom. Somebody give Dom a "Business for dumbies" book already...
DeleteAnd VertX may not have stolen the design of a Phoenix deck, but they ripped off the entire Lucky product line.
Leave the lucky situation out of this because no one even knows what happened with that lol
DeleteFork idea seems like it could work with some tweaking. But I still don't see much demand for something like this when you can just run thicker fork tubes/ headset spacers when you have a baby scs or MGP.
-nick darger
You mean lucky ripped the whole vertx product line.
DeleteHaha, no, kid... Just, no...
DeleteJosh I have respect for you there's no doubt in that but vertx was the original manufacture of Lucky and then lucky went to Arizona and didn't patent anything plus the designs were already in his rights so everyone who hates on vertx can go fuck themselves because those are there parts and If lucky had a problem with it they would have fixed it almost 2 years ago when vertx came out
Deleteeverybody is 'PIST'
ReplyDeleteChallenge accepted, Dom. I have a rider at my shop that has demolished Lucky SMX and Phoenix Wedge fork (which are aluminium) and has bent forktube ends of a TSI fork and a Striker (both chromoly 4130) into conus shape so that the SCS locks in all the way leaving no slit, all of them within the last 6 months, normal use. I dare you to send us a fork. I'd be happy to see a fork that lasts more than a month besides a highly-reinforced SR fork that he's using at the moment.
ReplyDeleteewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome to buy one Madis.
ReplyDeleteBottom line is that the joint is not a weak spot. The man who designed this fork is a genius with a degree in mechanical engineering. He knows what he is doing, and the fork has been put through the testing to prove its strength.
But that's enough talk, the strength will show when people begin to ride the fork.
He could have a degree in something like that all he wants. Doesn't mean he knows what a design should be when he knows nothing of the sport. If he rode, then fine. But I'm not impressed by your team either, so if they're the testers, that's not saying much.
DeleteSeriously shut the fuck up. You are an angry little man who needs to quit scootering already, you have no style and you suck. Stop acting like you own the damn sport and critizising other people's work. Thedamn product hasnt even been reviewed yet. So we all know that you will probably be the first one with one of them and also the last because your ass wont break one. SO fuck you
Deletesounds like this Dom Macaroni and cheese guy is getting PIST
ReplyDeleteJosh Toy sippin dat haterade
ReplyDeletei don't know Josh T, Dom is fat and sketchy so if he didn't break the new fork they are probably good.
ReplyDeleteVertx, congrats
ReplyDeleteYou have found the solution to a problem that does not exist.
hahahaha so true. i would never run a fork like this.
DeleteJosh, im onboard with a lot of the stuff you say on here, but rubbishing the idea that having a qualified engineer designing parts is fairly short sighted. I know everyone hypes on rider run companies, but do you cannot equal technical knowhow with endless testing, it isn't efficient and wont come out with the same result. Yeah, you need riders to test the product before market, and to highlight the specific problems they have had with scooter forks during the design process, but for my money, i want someone with technical knowhow designing my fork.
ReplyDeleteJust fyi, im not endorsing this fork yet, i would like to see more specs and maybe get my hands on it. im also not writing it off.
and Madis - who the hell is riding those forks? Jaws from james bond!? hehe
I'm late to comment on this and I hope Dom sees my post to explain one little thing to me.
ReplyDeleteLet's say the fork legs are machined to fit a thick walled aluminium steer tube. I break it and loose all faith in aluminium and get myself a cromoly steer tube. Turns out the cromoly tube has thinner walls than the aluminium steer tube (since less material is needed to achieve the same strength) and we run into trouble. The outer diameter has to be 1 1/8 inch (since that's the standar) minus the wall thickness and taaa daaaa... we got a bigger inner diameter than we had on the aluminium steer tube.
Now back to the "fork legs are machined to fit a thick walled aluminium steer tube" part. You obviously see where I'm going with this (if not, you're in fact the idiot (sorry, just using your vocabulary))... there is room to wobble around, even if you tighten it onto the fork legs like mad, this solution is far from ideal.
It could have even gone the opposite, legs machined to fit a thinner walled cromoly steer tube, and I switch to a thicker walled aluminium steer tube. And oh snap, I can't fit it on the fork legs.
So please explain how you solved this, and then I maybe won't find this idea total crap.
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Best regards.